Steering Wheel Radio remote switches

[drober42]

Well some good news the dealer has agreed to order a new controller, just a bit concerned now that it might happen again ,still will wait and see what ford tech says when he checks the controller wiring on Thursday.Just got to wait now for the new controller to turn up. In the mean time have had to put the car back together with the old clock spring and airbag but at least I got a working horn now .

[Mirez]

Bugger - least its been ordered so you'll hopefully be back to working again soon. Little tip though - use VCDS next time lol

[drober42]

If I could I would but don't have full version of VCDS, as I've got a  VCM. Fords own diagnostic (Vehicle Communications Module) as used by your local Ford dealer, so that should be okay.must hoping I was unlucky and had a duff controller.

[Mirez]

You can code modules with the shareware version! The module should have arrived ready to plug and play, its only the softcode that needs to be popped in.

[drober42]

Allright! Will down load the shareware version of VCDS and see what happens, by the way one quick question for you, when you powered up your controller did your steering wheel switch pack start flashing? If you can remeber, just remembered that the switch pack was flashing when the battery was re-connected, don't know if that means anything or not?

[Mirez]

Nope, never seen it flashing! Not quite sure what that means but generally flashing on VW's indicates its knackered lol.

[drober42]

Hope that means it's the controller and not the switch pack! Will find out soon or I'll be ordering a new switch pack, lol this could get expensive! But I won't it now looks so good!!!lol 8)

[Mirez]

lol, it does look SOO much better then then without. Coming from a string of true Ford's its also nice to see it all light up instead of just guess in the dark lol

[drober42]

Lol Totally agree ford should have lit them all, sure they think everybody either has ESP or we all have night vision or something! Not the easiest functions to use in the dark!

[Chrispb]

I think ESP was an option on the MK2 but standard on the MK3

[philclemo]

Hey guys, is this useful?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GALAXY-MK2-VW-SHARAN-STEERING-WHEEL-AIR-BAG-SLIP-RING-SPRING-1J0959653B-/330722447406?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0098102e

[Mirez]

Not really

That slip ring is your run of the mill basic one, just airbag and horn. If you are upgrading to the MFSW you need the big boy version which contains the ESP sensor and extra wiring as well.

[drober42]

Here we go then, Thursday at the insistence of the dealer wiring to the controller was checked, no problem with the wiring, replacement controller was ordered at the beginning of the week, turned up Friday afternoon, so will hopefully be refitting switch pack and clock spring and hopefully have a working MFSW, or I'll be ordering a new switch pack!
Will keep ya posted.

[philclemo]

Good luck, fingers crossed!

[drober42]

Okay who's money was on the slip ring? Finally got the switch pack working, all switches are operating, according to the diagnostic test, but the bloody horn still won't work, tried a different switch pack, and the horn still didn't work only thing they have in common is the slip ring! Put car back together with the original slip ring all wiring still running through the controller and the horn works! So is gotta be the slip ring? Unless someone can think of something else?

[Mirez]

Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 05:53:54 PM Ã,»
That smacks of clock spring unit being defective instead.

lol

Glad you've identified the problem though, strange it all measured out ok though as its just a coiled cable which is a weird.

[drober42]

Well the saga continues, last night when I got back from the dealers got really pissed off and took the clock spring apart, (not a lot in there, got bored and put it back together!),this morning went out to the car and had 1 last crack at it finally got the horn to work! Ohhh! Happy days! Putting the car back together and then got a constant airbag fault! Ahhh crap! Couldn't clear fault, stripped the car again! Found air bag connector had disintegrated and all wiring was just hanging loose, probably explains the high resisitance fault I thought, then net to check the switch outputs on the diagnostics and absolutely nothing working, yesterday had all switches working just no horn, so have come to the conclusion that as no switches are giving any feed back to the diagnostics that taking the clock spring apart probably wasn't the best idea, end result is have now ordered new clock spring, if this doesn't cure the problems with the airbag, and switches giving no output I'm giving up!

[Mirez]

Its certainly turned into a saga hasn't it

The clock springs a weird old thing, because its essentially just a coiled ribbon cable, if its been over stretched at any point then it can have intermittent faults as the cable makes and breaks with the movement.

Good luck!

[drober42]

It's been fun! Lol  now it's getting to the point where if the clock spring doesn't cure some of the faults I'm giving up, more importantly if I hadn't had a bossy yesterday it would probably be working now! Still ya live and learn just sometimes it's the hard way! Lol just keep smiling! Grit ya teeth and tell ya self it can't get any worse.lol it doesn't help by the way! Lol

[drober42]

  At last some good news! MFSW now working all lights up cruise control works, only problem is the audio still wont work! But a result non the less! Happy Chappy!! As for the audio willhave to bang original head unit in just to see if it works at all!

[blue metal]

well done that man!
was the head unit yours or the car?

blue metal

[Mirez]

YeeeHaaa. Congrats my man, It may well be a softcoding issue as to why the audio's not working as its setup for VW Can by default.

[drober42]

Blue Metal, it's a bit of both  , will try the old head unit(original Ford) just to see if that works with the audio unit, and thanks for the congrats!
So glad its finally showing signs of life, do like the cruise on the steering wheel!

Mirez,
as far as the soft coding goes it's showing as 01028, when programming the module it only asks if the car has Nav or not, then programmes the module and that's the soft coding, so not sure why the audio is refusing to play ball it's only 2 wires and should work! Unless I've missed something? If I have I can't find it will have another look next week sometime when I've got a bit more time and see what's what, gotta just tidy up the wiring now it's working properly ish!

[Chrispb]

Am sure you'll sort it, you got this far with it.
Well done

[drober42]

Thanks Chris!
I'll get there in the end, nothing if not persistant! although sometimes it did feel like I was banging my head against a wall, good fun in a strange sort of way! Still the satisfaction when you do finally get it working makes it worth it.

[gregers]

and theres me thinking you were about to rip it all out!!!!!!!!

glad its giving you a break now m8ty,

[drober42]

Rip all out! Never! Lol I did come close a few times though! At least now I feel like I'm getting somewhere with it

[drober42]

Mark,
A quick question is pin 11 from C67 12volts by any chance?

[Mirez]

C67 is the nav/vw mini iso connector which you don't have?

[drober42]

Was just wondering if pin11 is 12volts, if it is it may be why the audio controls from the wheel aren't working?

[Mirez]

Ahhh I see, don't think so - its comms at 5V I think...

[drober42]

Might be worth trying, the only YE/RD I could find in the wiring diagrams is 12v ignition feed, will try it later in the week and see what if anything happens, it's the only cable missing and the only reason I can think of that the audio controls aren't working.

[drober42]

Just a quick update, finally found out why the audio controls wont work, Pin 5 on the controller has to have a 5v feed runnning to it to activate the audio controls, so am now going to Maplins to get a 12v to 5v regulator and hopefully have all functions on the steering wheel working, will let ya know what happens on Thursday! Fingers crossed!

[drober42]

That's it I give up, put the 5v to pin5 on the controller and the audio still won't play ball,I'm lost now all wiring is there, they still won't bloody we'll work! Any ideas anyone, this ironically is the part I really wanted working !

[v6mikey]

Sorry, I can't help you with your installation.

I would like to know what parts I would require to carry this out on my Sharan and whether it would be easier (cheaper)  to source the parts for the Sharan than the Gal.

Would something like this be good to start with?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK4-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL-/170716896201?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27bf851bc9#ht_500wt_1184

[Mirez]

This is for the Ford radio isn't it? I'll take a look tonight for you as mine was wired for the VW.

Yup the golf wheel will fit just fine, you'll still need the clock spring unit but that's different again and a conventional VW one should do you fine. The controller is also the regular VW one and not the Ford special one and they can be picked up for under a tenner now - all in should be a cheap(ish) retro for a VW (Damn you!)

[v6mikey]

Excuse me if this is a noob question, but what's the difference between the clock springs?

[drober42]

The difference between the clock springs are the extra connections through the clock springs for the additional wiring for the switches, bloody sight cheaper for the VW than the galaxy as well! Lucky git!!

[drober42]

Finally! Got around to re-fitting the Ford head unit today, moved the neccessary wires around and the audio controls work! So there must be a problem with either the stalk adaptor or the JVC head unit, but at least now I know the audio switches work! Will have a look the notes I made sort 'em out so they make sense and e-mail to Mark so he can make a how to out of it! A lot of problems seem to have been caused by the after market head unit not functioning properly!  But it is now done all proved to be working!

[Mirez]

I think the phrase you are looking for is "Yeee-fooking-haaa"

[drober42]

Yeah! But the woo hoo just wasn't big enough lol it's driven me nuts but also been a lot of fun and actually made me think! Thanks for all the help and your right it is a great mod!

[Mirez]

Get the NAV unit in there now

[drober42]

Next mod is to get the oil temp gauge working, but will have to wait until next oil change, then lets see what problems I have with that  ,feel a whole new topic coming on!

[Mirez]

Ahhh now thats actually a doddle. Sump off, drill hole, mount sender, 3 wires to cluster. Done

[drober42]

Quick update, the reason the aftermarket head unit wouldn't work with the steering wheel audio controls is the auto leads harness and patch lead are the wrong ones for the galaxy! So I've been banging my. Head against the wall for fooking reason than auto leads got it wrong!

[Mirez]

Awww man how much does that suck? Take it back and give em heaps!

[drober42]

Will do if I can find the receipt! Lol still the right one has now been ordered, just in case anybody else does this do not use the autoleads pc99 harness or the pc99-x07 for the JVC it's the wrong harness and patch lead! Although the autoleads web site states that is the correct one! As far as I can tell its only the JVC that is affected.

[drober42]

WOOO HOOOOO!!
It all works even with the JVC head unit fitted!! Fookin Marv!!

If any bodyelse wants to change their head unit from Factory to Aftermarket you'll need a 29-653 stalk adaptor harness,try these guys, Incartech.co.uk, ordered mine from them Friday arrived Saturday morning! Now thats service, although Autoleads say the PC99-X07 will work with the MK2 Galaxy it won't.

[Mirez]

Awesomeness

[v6mikey]

Right, I have managed to find a steering wheel with the switches and the slip ring.  I just have a couple of questions if you can help.

As I retro fitted cruise to my car, will this make any difference to the install?

Do you know the part number for the mfsw controller that I will need?

Will my airbag go onto the new steering wheel with the switches?

Hope someone can help.